Surviving the Thai Jungle

Railway viaduct on Thai Burma Railway
Many Westerners, mostly men are attracted to living in Thailand,  but surviving in the country is a little bit like taking a trek through the jungle with seemingly friendly natives but with limited supplies and without a map or compass.

In a real survival situation those with the proper training or who are at least prepared for the situation do best and so it is for expats who set out to live in Thailand.

It seems to me that there are probably four types who can survive here.  If you are rich for instance and are skilled at retaining your hard earned wealth, or you have a job from an international company earning a salary consummate with a Western lifestyle. Even folk retiring on a pension can survive modestly providing they avoid some of the human traps they might encounter. Of course if you are just out of college/university then you can certainly survive a year or so teaching English.

Now if you don’t fall into these groups then perhaps you are not best prepared to survive. Maybe its better just coming to Thailand for a holiday or two each year.

Of course there are many folk who don’t broadly fit into the above groups but still come to live here anyway. The most common is probably the entrepreneur types, who want to start a bar or some other similar business selling western food or running a girlie venue. Visit Pattaya, Phuket and Bangkok and I guarantee you will come across them.  Never had it so good, great country to live in, they are really enjoying the good life.  Or so it seems, because like anywhere appearances can be deceptive. Most, but not all, end up failing through being broke or having fallen in love with the wrong person or perhaps more commonly a combination of the two.

They head home,  along with the other people who were not prepared for the reality of life in Thailand,  some of whom have lost a fortune, been cheated or just got in with the wrong crowd.  Some even head to other Asian countries berating Thailand and all things Thai.

Those who didn’t survive the jungle tend to complain about everything, visa rules, graft, corruption, company law and doing things the Thai way.

Well I am sorry for them but they really should have prepared better.   This is Thailand and things are done the Thai way, after all you chose to come here. Its no good complaining that you cannot own a controlling interest in your business, have a fair crack from the legal system or own the land your house stands on like Thai people could if they lived in the UK or US for example. Perhaps the Thais are not as fickle as some suggest, perhaps they actually see themselves as a lot cleverer than the average Westerner.  Maybe they have a point?

Most Thais also love to gamble(mostly illegally) and in a way you might compare Thailand to being one giant casino for a fresh faced Westerner. Sure its exciting, even exotic, you can certainly get an adrenaline buzz, you can be a high roller for a while but in the end just like in a real life casino you may well find that the house wins more than it loses.

Rest assured the casino owners will take your money,  but don’t for one minute think you can ever change anything,  whatever your skill set, because Thailand is not geared up to see Westerners being successful.

And, no, before you accuse me of being bitter and negative about Thailand,  I’m not.  I just wanted to write a few words of warning for the unsuspecting Westerner that might think the streets are paved with gold, or that they can make a positive contribution to Thai society. You can’t because the Thais won’t let you. You need to understand where you stand and in Thai society’s eyes that is not even on the radar screen.

Lets face it if you really want to come and live here you will anyway.  But take my advice come without the blinkers, try it for a few months first and don’t sell up back home.  Experience life and look at the complete picture, the politics, the corruption the emerging nature of many services you take for granted back home. Hopefully if you do this you will be able to say that you learned how to survive  and you are ready to move here. Chances are you will still have a lot to learn but at least there is less chance of you burning out within a year.

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  • http://www.danploy.com/diary.htm DanPloy

    A nice balanced post, Mike. My first year here is nearly up. My (?) company is now up and running (not a bar) and most of the bureaucratic hurdles have been duly jumped through.

    ‘or that they can make a positive contribution to Thai society’.

    We have recent experience of trying to do this. It not so much that you can’t, you just don’t seem to get acknowledged for doing it or helped to do it. But you can do it.

    I go back to the UK next week for the first time in a long time. That will remind me why I am here. My bridges are well and truly burnt so I need to make a go of it here, but I think I can. I certainly couldn’t do it alone though but I have the fantastic support of my wife who is perhaps more critical of some things here than I am.

    But nowhere is perfect and this certainly the best country I have lived in, west or east.

  • http://www.thailand-blogs.com Mike

    Dan(and Ploy) firstly thank you for taking the time to visit the site and comment.

    I was hoping this one might draw in someone who actually is making a go of it here with a business, I’m retired so I don’t count on that score.

    Perhaps I was a little harsh saying you can’t make a positive contribution to Thai society, I should have said something similar to your experiences which is probably nearer the truth since i do know at least one UK expat who does something very worthwhile.

    I think if you have a sound Thai partner(I do too) them things can be good here, sadly a lot of our countrymen view Thailand in a different way(probably with their beer glasses on).

    Good luck in your ventures and thanks for the link to your site which I shall explore at my leisure(considerable).

  • http://thailandlandofsmiles.com Talen

    Mike, great advice…quickest way to become a millionaire in Thailand is to start with 2 million :)

    Anyone crazy enough to open a bar will soon find out the hard way…while some bars do make it the owners usually had bar experience in their home country.

    I have many pokers in the fire and a nice nest egg but I still worry and I am very careful with what money I am spending.

  • Lloyd

    What you have described is not restricted to Thailand, it is pretty much the same everywhere that foreigners move to seek a lifestyle they either imagine or believe will be better or where they move to live what they believe will be a better lifestyle for less money. If you cant create a good lifestyle in your own country you are not likely to have a better lifestyle somewhere else, simple!

    Look at the people who bitch and wine about life in the Costa Del Sol, Spain, Gold Coast and Perth in Australia, Cancuun Mexico, Antigua, St Lucia, Panama, Cyprus, Bulgaria, France… and the list goes on!

    I have business and private investments in Spain, Portugal, Malaysia, Singapore, UK, Korea and Brazil and what stands out as different in Thailand are the social issues. Regardless of what your intentions and where you are from there is a level of prejudice between certain levels of Thai society and foreigners and those who ‘associate’, marry or do business with ‘farangs’.

    A few years ago I invested around 56 million baht in an agricultural based business in Thailand, last year I sold my share, not because it was a bad investment, Government regulations or corruption but simply because my wifes family suffered so much prejudice and were belittled by individuals and companies that I could not stand to see them suffer for want of a profit.

    What people do not seem to understand is that if you are not “successful” in your life or business in one part of the world is highly unlikely you will be successful somewhere else, accept that and live within your “scope” and you tend to survive ;-)

  • http://paulgarrigan.com/ Paul Garrigan

    Hi Mike, I came here with nothing, but now almost ten years later I am very happy with my lot. I have certainly got a lot more than what I came with. Some people with a lot of money can come here and lose it all – it is sad but it happens all the time. I believe that if people are determined enough though they can make a go of it in Thailand. I think that it is wrong to say that if you are not a success in your home country you won’t be a success in Thailand – people change. Mind you, I don’t need to live in Thailand to be happy or successful.

  • Camille

    Hi Mike,

    Some good advice in your post but too many Westerners come and want to live here without taking the rosa tinted sunglasses off. Even if some of them would read your advice, experience tells me that most of them prefer to re-invent the same wheels that can make life difficult here.

    Thailand is a great country to live in but you better have the means to survive here, it’s by no means a social well fare state!

    I do think that I have a sound Thai partner, since 10 years!

  • http://www.thailand-blogs.com Mike

    Camille, a good point about social welfare, I was discussing with a new expat only yesterday, he seemed quite shocked that there is none as such. I second the part about a good Thai partner, essential in my opinion.

  • http://www.thailand-blogs.com Mike

    Paul, yes there are indeed success stories. I am pleased you are one. However there are also a lot of folk who really don’t have a clue about what living here involves.

  • http://www.thailand-blogs.com Mike

    Lloyd, thank you for the comprehensive reply and the insight it offers. I do believe that what you say is well balanced. The reference to the family issue once again underlines for me the insurmountable side to living and investing in this country.

  • http://www.thailand-blogs.com Mike

    Talen I am pleased you have your bases covered, no more than I would expect given your knowledge of life here. Chances are they you will meet a few less well prepared in your new venture.

  • http://www.thaisabai.org Martyn

    Mike I really enjoyed this one. I hope you don’t mind me saying, but I think it’s not typical of your normal writing style or theme. This is John McEnroe on a hot day at Wimbledon and two sets to love down. There’s a little touch of aggression hidden in there, has your sister-in-law turned up again. Did you gently strum the key pads or thump them one by one. You should drink lao khao and smoke Vietnamese ERA cigarettes more often if it makes you produce this kind of stuff.

    Make everyone’s day and post it on every Thai forum site about. Your hate mail would be bigger than Fabio Capello’s.

    Must go, I’ve got to let my bird out its cage. Tweet Tweet.

  • http://www.thaisabai.org Martyn

    Mike I really enjoyed this one. I hope you don’t mind me saying, but I think it’s not typical of your normal writing style or theme. This is John McEnroe on a hot day at Wimbledon and two sets to love down. There’s a little touch of aggression hidden in there, has your sister-in-law turned up again. Did you gently strum the key pads or thump them one by one. You should drink lao khao and smoke Vietnamese ERA cigarettes more often if it makes you produce this kind of stuff.

    Make everyone’s day and post it on every Thai forum site about. Your hate mail would be bigger than Fabio Capello’s.

    Must go, I’ve got to let my bird out its cage. Tweet Tweet.

  • http://www.thailand-blogs.com Mike

    Martyn glad you enjoyed the post. Fun you should mention Pen, but that’s another story for another day :-)